A Nonchurchgoer's Guide to Jesus and His Kingdom

There Is No Trinity; There Is Only Christ

Posted in Jesus Christ by Mike Gantt on July 13, 2011

In Jesus Christ, God manifested Himself to us in human form.

Churches will tell you that God exists in Trinity: three Persons in One being.  The Triune God, they call it.  This is, however well-intended, double-talk.  God is either one or He’s more than one – He can’t be both.  God is not illogical, nor is He contradictory.

Three persons co-existing as one being is a nonsensical concept.  Among human beings, multiple or split personalities are rightly considered disorders or aberrations.  In the Bible the only example we find of multiple personalities are when a person was a victim of demon possession – and Jesus cured every person like that He encountered.  How could God be like something so heinous?

Beings with more than one head are the stuff of mythology…and nightmares.  We naturally recoil at the image of Cerberus, the hideous three-headed dog of Greek lore.  And today, when we see conjoined twins, our hearts are broken…and we pray for healing.  None of these are true analogies to the Trinity – they are just as close as we can come.  That shows just how far removed from reality the concept of a Trinity is!

The Trinity is not a biblical concept, it is a philosophical one.  Can you find any analogy to it in the visible universe?  In the Bible, God constantly uses aspects of the visible creation as analogies for the truths He would teach us about Himself and the invisible dimension of creation.  Rest assured that if the Trinity were a true description of the way God is, He would have put analogies to it in the physical creation.

By contrast, the Bible is constantly comparing Jesus to things we do see in creation: He’s the Lamb of God, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the good Shepherd, the bread of life, light of the world, the stone that the builders rejected, the King of Israel, and so on.

The reason that church leaders originally developed and continue to perpetuate the doctrine of the Trinity is that it is a way for them to acknowledge the deity of Christ while they deny they He has come again in glory as God the Father of all (for more on this point, see God Is Not in a State of Suspended Animation and Jesus Christ Has Already Come Again).  If church leaders were to acknowledge that the kingdom of God has come, they would have to let go of their churches in order to seek the kingdom.  (I know firsthand because I was a pastor and I learned that to truly seek the kingdom of God means the abandonment of church; for more on this, see To My Pastor and Minister Friends.  Human beings are overseers in the churches, but Jesus is the overseer in the kingdom of God; for more on this, see Seeking the Kingdom of God Instead of Church.)  Who wants to serve God as part of a human-led organization when God Himself is enlisting people in His own organization?

An essential aspect of why God appeared to us as a human being (that is, as Jesus) is so that we could more easily relate to Him.  The concept of God being a trinity of persons frustrates that purpose.  If God truly was a trinity, He was only manifesting one-third of Himself through Jesus Christ – and what would be the point of that?

Christ explains God; the Trinity mystifies Him.  Christ gives us a way to relate to God; the Trinity removes Him farther from our understanding.  If God wants us to obey Him (and, of course, He does), Christ moves us toward that goal; the Trinity puts that goal out of practical reach.

Jesus Himself famously said, “No one can serve two masters.”  If that’s the case, why would anyone think we could serve three?

The Trinity therefore is both an illogical and unbiblical idea.

What is the correct way to think of God?  Just as the Bible portrays Him: Jesus Christ our Lord.  God became flesh and dwelt among us.  We – in our sinfulness – rejected Him to the point of murder by crucifixion.  However, He was raised from the dead and ascended back to heaven.  From there He eventually re-assumed His rightful place as head of all creation.

When you call upon God, you’re calling upon Jesus – a person.  He has lived a life like you are living.  He knows the difficulties; He has experienced them firsthand.

Call today and every day upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord.  He is our God.  He is our Father.  And His Holy Spirit will make you to know His thoughts in the depths of your heart for as long as you seek Him in sincerity and truth.

Comfort yourself always with this truth:  If you turn your thoughts toward the Lord Jesus, it will not escape His notice.

If you would like elaboration on this post about Christ versus the Trinity, click on Bible Notes below.  Also you can see this index:  Posts to Date on the Trinity Versus Christ, which will give you extensive elaboration (well over one hundred posts) on the subject.

If you’d like a broader overview to the subject of God and all the material covered on this blog see this Introduction-Overview.

Bible notes on this post.

The purpose of this blog is to proclaim Jesus Christ to those who want to hear about Him without having to join a church – or anything else – but Him.

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  1. hifzan shafiee said, on July 26, 2011 at 7:42 am

    Dear Sir,

    Trinity is never mention in Biblical and never found it in any version. but Trinity I found it Quran as per below, there was a lot of verse but I minimize the number:

    “171. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. ”
    Quran, Surah 4. Women

    73. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
    Quran, Surah 5. The Table, The Table Spread

    85. And Zakariya and John(, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous:
    Quran, Surah 6. Cattle, Livestock

    30. He said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; 31. “And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; 32. “(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable; 33. “So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)”! 34. Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. 35. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, “Be”, and it is.
    Quran, Surah 19. Mary (mother of Jesus)

    30. The Jews call ‘Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah.s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! 31. They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
    Quran, Surah 9. Repentance, Dispensation

    • Mike Gantt said, on July 26, 2011 at 8:14 am

      While the Trinity is a false concept, Muhammad and the Quran present something more false. At least the Trinity concept recognizes the truths that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God and that He is divine (What I Like About the Trinity Concept). This is more than can be said for Muhammad and the Quran.

      Anyone who claims to speak for God and yet does not honor Jesus Christ above all is not speaking for God.

      • hifzan shafiee said, on July 26, 2011 at 9:20 am

        Dear Mike,

        Thank you for your reply, may God bless you as true believers and follower of Jesus son of Mary (pbuh), which is believe to God is one, and May God shows you the right path as God show to Jesus (pbuh) and other prophet of Israel.

        Is it prophet Moses (pbuh) is also talking to God when he received Torah at Mount Sinai? Then Moses also does not honor Jesus, son of Mary (pbuh) because Moses (pbuh) also speak to God. Moses (pbuh) meet God because he want to received 1 of 4 highest book in Islam, Torah. Muhammad (pbuh) talk to God to received worshiping commandment (prayer, or Solah is Arabic).

        17. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.18. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.19. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
        [Matthew 5 : 17 – 19]

        Is it Jesus said that he come to world to fulfill Law of Moses, ie Ten Commandment. And in Ten Commandment also said I am the Lord your God and also You shall not make for yourself an idol (In this content, trinity). Which the statement that I also think you also believe.

        As one of our greatest prophet, Jesus, son of Mary (pbuh), which in the ranks of the righteous. May I know which verse in Quran that we speak ill about Jesus, son of Mary (pbuh). This is very important for me to understand my religion clearly.

        Hifzan Shafiee

    • Anonymous said, on May 16, 2012 at 7:02 pm

      that makes me beleive in the trinity even more

      • Mike Gantt said, on May 16, 2012 at 7:09 pm

        You’ll have to explain that if you want me to understand it.

  2. Mike Gantt said, on July 26, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Hifzan, may God bless you as well.

    Yes, Moses spoke with God on Mount Sinai and received the Torah.  Moses honored Jesus and spoke of Him, just as Jesus confirmed in John 5:46:

    “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for He wrote about Me.”

    Here is an example of Moses writing about Jesus in the Torah (from Deuteronomy 18:15):

    “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him.”

    In this passage Moses was prophesying of the time that Jesus would come to redeem all mankind from its sinfulness.  There are many other places where Moses speaks of Jesus.  For example, the Passover feast itself is a representation of Christ (1 Corinthians 5:7).  Moses so honored Jesus that he forsook the glory and security of political leadership in Egypt in order to bear the shame of being associated with Christ (Hebrews 11:25-27).

    You and I agree that the Trinity is an idol and not to be worshiped.  We also agree that Jesus affirmed the importance of Torah.  Where we are different is that Jesus interpreted the Torah differently from Moses – that is, Jesus interpreted the Torah according to the spirit and not to the flesh.  Thus Moses was a man of blood but Jesus is the Prince of Peace.  It’s not that Moses’ interpretation was wrong, it’s that Jesus’ interpretation is better.  Moses interpretation was for a time and applied only to ancient Israel.  Jesus’ interpretation is eternal and applies to every human being.

    As for where the Quran speaks wrongly of Christ, I quote from your own references above:

    “Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah”

    Jesus was indeed an apostle from God…but so much more!  That the Quran exalts Muhammad instead of Jesus is its great shame.

    You asked about your religion.  Religion does us no good in the sight of God.  It is no better to be a Christian than to be a Muslim than to be a Jew than to be an atheist that to be anything else.  God looks on our hearts, not our skin or our religious affiliations.  Religion Is Corruptible but God Isn’t.

    Do not look to religion.  Do not look to people.  Look only to God.  If you do, He will show you that He came to earth as Jesus of Nazareth and now reigns supreme once again and forever over all the nations.  Let us repent and live for Him alone!

     

  3. hifzan shafiee said, on July 26, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Dear Mike,

    After reading some of your others articles, I understand that you believe that Jesus, son of Mary is God itself. It different from what Trinity are as what I understand in Christianity and I miss that point when I wrote my 2nd comment.

    It almost same as Buddhism and Hinduism, even they are believe to one God, they also believe to to Buddha and other human character (Kali, Vishnu and etc) as a God. I mistaken it at first glance, that you believe to one God. What are the different from their (Buddhism and Hinduism) believe and your believe, fundamentally same.

    Story of Abraham, when he is young, he beheaded all statue, to protest the polytheism and paganism which is believe to many God. This story also contradicted with Trinity and Jesus as God.

    First of All, Moses came to children of Israel, born of by Children of Israel mothers, raise by pharaoh who are claim he is God itself (human who claim him as God). After few years, Moses come back to Egypt to fight back with Pharaoh who claiming him a God itself. Moses is not agreed with “Human is God”, as what you believe currently.

    You also contradicted with 1 item in Ten Commandment “I am the Lord your God and also You shall not make for yourself an idol” (In this content, trinity and yourself claim Jesus, son of Mary is God)

    Yourself also contradicted with [Matthew 5 : 17 – 19].

    Do talk to Quran itself, with your own Bible also contradicted. But I hope you read Quran as a whole books, even you not agree with Quran, just read it. I hope you can find something in there.

    Thank You,

    Hifzan Shafiee

  4. Mike Gantt said, on July 26, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Hifzan,

    Jesus is a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is the fulfillment of the great and precious promises God made to those patriarchs. Buddhism and Hinduism do not make such claims.

    Yes, Abraham stood strong against idols. However, you should recognize that Jesus was not fashioned by hand of man, but rather by the hand of God. Therefore, Jesus cannot be an idol.

    Yes, Moses fought against Pharaoh who claimed to be God. However, you should recognize that Jesus never claimed to be God before His contemporaries. He only claimed to be sent by God. He lived as a man when He was on the earth. He lived humbly and peaceably. This Pharaoh did not do. Jesus did not reign as God again until He was raised from the dead and ascended into heaven. It was at that time that worship of Him became appropriate for all.

    There is no contradiction between worshiping Jesus and obeying the commandment to not make idols because, as I said above, we did not make Jesus – God did.

    If the Quran did not contradict the Bible on important points – most importantly about the supremacy of Jesus – I would be more interested in reading it.

    You strike me as a person of peace. If so, examine the words and life of Jesus in the gospels (especially the gospel of John). See if you are drawn to Jesus. I was.

  5. hifzan shafiee said, on July 26, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Dear Mike,

    I am not strike you out, I just give my opinion and my beliefs,

    Jesus is a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. {We also belief}
    Yes, Abraham stood strong against idols. {We also belief}
    Yes, Moses fought against Pharaoh who claimed to be God. {We also belief}

    From all you statement, you are already know Jesus, son of Mary is actually human being, that being sent to human, as apostle ,or prophet same as Abraham, Moses, David, Zakeriya, Isaac, John the Baptist. And you reading Bible thoroughly. Not all Christian read Bible thoroughly (poor them, just heard what Father said during Sunday).

    Dear Mike,

    You just not agree with supremacy of Jesus only over Muhammad, but others you quite agree with me. Actually in Quran itself, (i think you never read yet), there was a lot story of Jesus, son of Mary, Mary itself, how Mary defend herself after Jesus birth, death of Jesus, Jesus being raise to Sky by God, Jesus will come down again to earth to save humanity. Moses and others prophet of Israel. Miracles of Jesus, son of Mary, raise the death people, make blind people can see again, make a scattered piece of dove live and fly again, bring down a food from heaven to his 12 follower (Hawariyun), and others.

    You think we don’t know and do not believe it. This story have been told to us Muslim, 1400 years ago, in Quran, almost 5% of its tell about Jesus and prophet of Israel (I think more). We, Muslim, must believe Jesus, son of Mary is one of GREATEST (if I can bold this) prophet that ever live, along Abraham, Moses, David, and others prophet of Israel. In Quran itself, there was a lot of message to people of Israel and people who understand Gospel (Injil). This is what I said to you, you need to read Quran, may be just to have additional knowledge about Islam. Actually we also drawn to Jesus. I was in different way.

    Dear Mike,

    That why I never offense regarding Jesus, unless you say Jesus is God, Trinity or etc which is I totally not agreed. You said “He only claimed to be sent by God”, then why you said he is God after return to earth. Is it not contradicted with top statement? When A Judgement Day, Jesus shall become God and judge the sin of Abraham, Moses, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon and their believer which is Jews and Abraham Faith. A descendant in World and become their God in After Life. Is it not contradict to you?

    Thank you, its good for me understand your point of view, nice blogging with you, (but I need to sleep, if you reply this, I try to reply tomorrow again, I live in other side of worlds)

    Bye,

    Hifzan Shafiee

    • Mike Gantt said, on July 26, 2011 at 1:49 pm

      Hifzan,

      I am glad that Quran teaches you about Jesus.  However, while Quran may be 5% about Jesus, the Bible is 100% about Jesus (The Bible Is the Book of Jesus).

      I am not suggesting that you exchange Islam for Christianity.  That would do you no good.  What will do you good is trusting Jesus and living like Him.

      The Second Coming of Christ, to which you refer, has already occurred.  Jesus came the first time as a man; He came the second time as God.  That’s why no one “saw” it.  The kingdom of God is here now…and always will be.

      Jesus saves people now, but it is a salvation of the soul, not of our circumstances.

      It is not enough that Muhammad and the Quran say nice things about Jesus.   Christians say nice things about Jesus, too, but that is not enough either.  What matters is trusting and obeying Jesus.  That brings true peace and happiness in the human soul.

      As for the afterlife, everyone is going to heaven.  However, judgment is upon us so we need to give heed to God and obey His commandments through Jesus.

      I do not have a religion to give you.  I am just telling you about Jesus.  Please read the gospel of John if you want to know more about Him.

      • tfoster said, on May 16, 2012 at 7:46 pm

        John 8: 23 Jesus continued, You are from below; I am from above. You belong to this world; I do not. 24 That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins

        John 11:25
        Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;

        John 13:19
        “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am

        John 8:24
        I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.

        but yet we will all go to heaven…something is terribly wrong with this picture. :-( might as well say there is no hell since Everyone is going to heaven but we know there is a hell.

  6. donteattrash said, on August 18, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Trinity is the building blocks of existence. If everything is relational, if everything is destined and designed for intimate unity (which i believe it is, hence why sin is so destructive) then the basis of it has to be holy (perfect relationality) unity. The genesis poem begins with in the beginning there was a plural God. But no where do we find backing for more then one God. So therefore there is an inference that the one God is somehow so perfectly communal that they/he/it is ONE. Look at water (which from your post is an example from nature) Water is both liquid, solid (ice) and gas (mist). mist s defs not a solid, ice is defs not a liquid but all three are water. they all have their different roles they all have their different reasons but they are all unified in their waterness. Trinity doesn’t push us further from christ, for christ was an is the physical blood sweat and tears triune member who adopts us into the trinity community (eph and col 1) Father and son pictures that the bible uses don’t make sense if father and son are the same. Father has his role, son has his role and holy spirit defs has his role. but they are all God. they are all one. they are all the omni’s. Trinity not only supports the unification of existence it exemplifies it for us making more sense that we are designed for community but vulnerable intimacy which can be seen in the echos of sex and family.

    i like you a lot. i love your commitment to truth and world change. and im so curious that i plan to read a lot more of what you write. im curious your thoughts on church. I don’t have the experience you have but i have grown up the son of a pastor.

    hope your day is excellent.

    DET

    • Mike Gantt said, on August 19, 2011 at 4:28 am

      As you have time, reflect on these two statements and note their contrasting viewpoints:

      “Trinity is the building block of existence,” (yours) and “Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone” (Ephesians 2:20 KJV).

      I hope your day is excellent, too.

  7. tiffytiff said, on December 20, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    The Trinity is mentioned in the Bible -

    Matthew 28:19 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…

  8. Mike Gantt said, on December 20, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    tiffytiff,

    That’s a reference to three names, but there’s no mention of “trinity” nor is there any instruction that we should relate those names to each other in a philosophical construct. If it were, then any verse that mentioned the Father and the Son, or God and Jesus, would be an instruction to create a philosophical construct of “binity.” And there are a lot more verses that mention the two than mention the three – a lot more. So, then we’d have an argument about whether to believe in the binity or the trinity.

    Better to just take the Scriptures as they’re given to us and not add in man-made ideas like trinity and binity.

  9. Pete said, on February 15, 2012 at 9:13 am

    I believe that God is a Family in as much as there is a Father and a Son. If you read the greetings of Paul in all of his episles he says something along these lines: “Grace and peace to you through God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ”. So you are correct when you say that there is no trinity, but incorrect when you say that they are one in the same. Who rose Jesus from the dead? God the Father did. The Holy Spirit is just the communion that they have together with each other. So I call it a Binity instead of trinity…

  10. Mike Gantt said, on February 15, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Pete, you’re at least going in the right direction. When you get to one, you’ll be done.

  11. Bob Freeman said, on April 11, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    If one were to believe that the trinity does not exist then he would need to explain away Matthew 3:17 or Luke 3:22, along with many other verses.

    • Mike Gantt said, on April 12, 2012 at 5:23 am

      You should take another look at those two passages. Closer inspection will reveal to you that the word “trinity” does not appear in them (nor anywhere else in the Bible, for that matter). Neither does the phrase “three persons in one being” appear in them (because that would be illogical). Nor is there any mention of “God the Son” or “God the Holy Spirit.” Thus you are reading these two verses through “trinity glasses.” If you will take off those glasses – that is, stop adding to the word of God – you will realize that these passages in no way teach what you are suggesting.

      See Posts to Date on the Trinity Versus Christ for better, simpler, and more biblical explanations of God.

  12. tfoster said, on May 16, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    If Jesus himself was Not God in the flesh and trinity does not exist then What do these verses mean?

    John 6:35
    Then Jesus declared, I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.
    It just seems that if he were a mere man he would not have a ability to promise this.
    John 8: 23 Jesus continued, You are from below; I AM FROM ABOVE.. You belong to this world; i DO NOT. 24 That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins.
    25 Who are you? they demanded.
    Jesus replied, The one I have always claimed to be. 26 I have much to say about you and much to condemn, but I won’t. For I say only what I have heard from the one who sent me, and he is completely truthful. 27 But they still didn’t understand that he was talking about his Father.
    (Just like back then people still don’t understand. )
    28 So Jesus said,When you have lifted up the Son of Man on the cross, then you will understand that? I AM HE. I do nothing on my own but say only what the Father TAUGHT me. 29 And the one who sent me is with me he has not deserted me. For I always do what pleases him. 30 Then many who heard him say these things believed in him.
    John 10:7
    Therefore Jesus said again, Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep
    John 10:11
    “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
    John 10:14
    “I am the good shepherd; I KNOW my sheep and my sheep KNOW me
    John 11:25
    Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;

    John 13:19
    “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am

    (a very common theme here Jesus used the words I am alot…he wants us to know who he is.)
    John 8:24
    I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.
    ( who is this he that he is asking you to believe he is? God in flesh or man in flesh good enough to attone for your sins?)
    John 8:12
    [ Dispute Over Jesus’ Testimony ] When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said,I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.
    Mark 14:62
    I am,said Jesus. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.

    If Jesus was just stating to be alone the son of God, his messiah that the jews new was going to come then why all the fuss..no he was claiming to be something more. God in human flesh.

    I see same characteristics in OT as Jesus
    Isaiah 43:3
    For I am the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, YOUR SAVIOR;
    Isaiah 43:10
    You are my witnesses, declares the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.

    ( makes me think of when Jesus said “I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he.”)
    Isaiah 43:13
    Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it
    Isaiah 43:25
    I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more
    Isaiah 48:17
    This is what the LORD says your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel:I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go
    Isaiah 60:22
    The least of you will become a thousand, the smallest a mighty nation. I am the LORD; in its time I will do this swiftly.

    Exodus 3:14 God said to moses I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Isrealites “I AM has sent me to you!”
    John 8:54
    “I tell you the truth” Jesus awnsered, “Before Abraham was born, I am!” At this, they picked up stones to stone him but he left the temple

    Even Jesus himself declared to be I AM!
    I am king of kings and Lord of Lords
    Revelation 17:14
    1 timothy 6:13-15
    I am the First and the Last, I am the living one, I was dead, and behonld I am for ever and ever!
    Revelation 22 17-18
    Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, The beginnign and the end.
    But how could a mere man (jesus) be all this…its blashemey against GOD unless he was what he is claiming to be.
    Revelation 22:12-13
    He who testifies to these things says “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
    Revelation 22:20
    These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.
    Revelation 2:8
    Listen to me, O Jacob, Isreal, whom I have called, I am he, I am the first and I am the last.”
    Isaiah 48:12
    This is what the Lord says- Isreal’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.”
    Isaiah 44:6
    you are my witnesses. Declares teh Lord ‘and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and beleive me and understand that I am he. Before me no God was formed nor will there be one after me. I even I, am the Lord and apart from me there is no savior.”

    Jesus is either God or hes not savior…how can a man atone for sins…all men have fallen short of the glory of God and have sinned therefore if Jesus was not God he would have fallen short and sinned.
    Isaiah 43:10-11
    In Revelation 1:7-8 the Lord God (Jehovah) states He is the Alpha and Omega. Yet in the same verse the speaker, God (Jehovah) says He was pierced. Who was it that was actually piereced? Jesus. In rev 22:12-20 it is Jesus who claims he is the Alpha and Omega. In Isaiah 48:12 and 44:6 God, Jehovah says he is hte first and the last. yet again in rev 2:8 Jesus says he is the first and the last. Finally both God Jehovah and Jesus are described as “coming soon”.

    This is what the Lord says, your redeemer, who formed you in the womb, I am the Lord, who has made all things, who alone strechted out the heavens, who spread out the earth myself.
    Isaiah 44:24
    Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth, for I am God, and there is not other. By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all intergrity a word that will not be revoked; before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.”
    I am the way, the truth and the light

    and lets not forget John 1:1 says that “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says that “the Word became flesh.” This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “…Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased the church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

    Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior – Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.”

    In Revelation, an angel instructed the Apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9,17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation had. There are many other verses and passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus and his identity of being God in flesh.

    See trinity cannot be understood because people refuse to see Jesus as God, they see him as just a man and Im sorry but I cannot place my faith in a Man, to me he is either just a man and there for no messiah has come yet, or he is God himself in flesh. People can understand the holy spirit and his workings, they know Yahweh but they refuse to acknowledge Jesus as God because they would then have to conclude that all there are one and work for the same goal. I don’t care about what this book of this says, or what some creed says about history, Gods word is alive and was written and I refuse to believe that God himself would let his kids run rampid preaching error when this believe is the most widely taught don’t you think God is Powerful enough, and has grace and mercy enough to teach ones that he loves the truth….he did..the fact is the big fat liar (satan) has come through and started disorting truth…I am not catholic or really of any denomination, I beleive and study the word of God and when someone came telling me that Jesus is not God I started to dig deep and I have found and been assured of my salvation through Jesus my God, Yahweh my savior that i am a soul assured of my salvation. He loved me enough before he made himself known to me, he loved me even the more after dying for me that I can trust in him to teach me the truth and he has.

  13. Mike Gantt said, on May 17, 2012 at 4:56 am

    You haven’t read me very carefully. See Jesus Christ Is God.


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